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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by SaA View Post
    WW1 was triggered by 1 assassin killing 2 people

    you cant just write something off like that by just calling it propaganda
    That's not even remotely the same thing. You are comparing royalty to a journalist. Not only that, but Franz Ferdinand also had a lot of pull in Hungary's government. If ISIS beheaded a a top ranking government official, then it would have been different. The man who was killed is freelance photojournalist with no position of power or any ties to the US government besides being a citizen.

    I'm not saying that it is wrong to go after ISIS. The beheading was cruel, but I have to call a spade a spade. This is propaganda. It's sole purpose is to gain the support of US citizens to invade Iraq. It's the same as ISIS using the video as propaganda to scare off the US.
    Last edited by -Omega-; 08-21-2014 at 10:25 AM.

  2. #22
    The problem with ISIS is the fact it is led by an ideology that is corrupt. They do not stand for Muslims or Islam, no religion preaches this, their fanatical beliefs and actions are born from a decade of "Jihad" against the west. Yes, this all started over 10 years ago when the USA invaded Iraq. When the USA started the conflict in Iraq all those years ago, they united all these Muslim fanatics who righteously believe that this is a holy war against Satan. That Satanic being is none other than western civilisation. If anything, this situation is eerily similar to the medieval ages, when the Christians and Christianity fought holy wars against Islam. Ever since those times, Muslims and Islam have been entrenched in a belief to "struggle" against oppressors such as "Christians". Obviously, times have changed, there is no holy war anymore, no more crusades, but not for ISIS.

    For ISIS, the holy war is still happening, the enemy is the United States. They want a war, if they wanted the USA to stop bombing them they would not be so forward with their threats and actions, the atrocities they commit and the purges they make are all in the name of holiness. ISIS want nothing more than a war against the USA, that's why the executed this man. Even if the US give them this "holy war", their radicalism will not be destroyed, I fear the western world has backed Islamic Jihadists too far into a corner that they have the mentality of those from the medieval ages, they believe that what they are doing is for the greater good.

    The USA and the west are not fighting ISIS, they are fighting an ideology, an ideology that has given birth to Osama Bin Laden and now ISIS.

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  4. #23
    You know that they're extreme when even Al-Qaeda wants nothing to do with them.

  5. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Myung Soo View Post
    The problem with ISIS is the fact it is led by an ideology that is corrupt. They do not stand for Muslims or Islam, no religion preaches this, their fanatical beliefs and actions are born from a decade of "Jihad" against the west. Yes, this all started over 10 years ago when the USA invaded Iraq. When the USA started the conflict in Iraq all those years ago, they united all these Muslim fanatics who righteously believe that this is a holy war against Satan. That Satanic being is none other than western civilisation. If anything, this situation is eerily similar to the medieval ages, when the Christians and Christianity fought holy wars against Islam. Ever since those times, Muslims and Islam have been entrenched in a belief to "struggle" against oppressors such as "Christians". Obviously, times have changed, there is no holy war anymore, no more crusades, but not for ISIS.

    For ISIS, the holy war is still happening, the enemy is the United States. They want a war, if they wanted the USA to stop bombing them they would not be so forward with their threats and actions, the atrocities they commit and the purges they make are all in the name of holiness. ISIS want nothing more than a war against the USA, that's why the executed this man. Even if the US give them this "holy war", their radicalism will not be destroyed, I fear the western world has backed Islamic Jihadists too far into a corner that they have the mentality of those from the medieval ages, they believe that what they are doing is for the greater good.

    The USA and the west are not fighting ISIS, they are fighting an ideology, an ideology that has given birth to Osama Bin Laden and now ISIS.
    This isn't a simple situation of "muh oppressors", and these problems began even before US involvement. Radicals just needed an excuse to start acting like barbaric savages, and the US gave them one.

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  7. #25
    No one seems to want them. They're battling the Iraqi Government, Syria, and even Iran is going up against them. Not to mention that even Pope Francis stated that armed intervention should be considered. The problem is that this isn't an army, it's sporadic guerrilla warfare which will drag on for perhaps even more than a decade.

  8. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Blooddrunk View Post
    This isn't a simple situation of "muh oppressors", and these problems began even before US involvement. Radicals just needed an excuse to start acting like barbaric savages, and the US gave them one.
    If I recall these things didn't happen as much when the British Empire colonized the entire region. >>"

  9. #27
    Exactly, before the 1990's when the US became involved in the Gulf region there were no problems/major problems like the crisis we face now. The US have a lot to face up to, they started this mess, and it will take a lot more casualties and fighting to solve it.

  10. #28
    It's not the USA's problem alone. Europe should be a lot more concerned about these extremists. Under no circumstances should more radicals be allowed to gain any access to actual power in the middle east. The barbarianism of some of these already existing countries (Saudi Arabia, etc) is already enough. The last thing the modern world needs is a medieval-like caliphate committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

  11. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Zero View Post
    If I recall these things didn't happen as much when the British Empire colonized the entire region. >>"
    Quote Originally Posted by Kim Myung Soo View Post
    Exactly, before the 1990's when the US became involved in the Gulf region there were no problems/major problems like the crisis we face now. The US have a lot to face up to, they started this mess, and it will take a lot more casualties and fighting to solve it.
    Bullshit. The brits had the exact same problems as the US currently has, of course not on such a global scale. Like you said, Kim, we fight an idealogy. An idealogy which also the british empire fought, with wars against the Mahdists and the Ansar, who are not so entirely different from ISIS. The only difference they had is that technology wasn't advanced and those radicals couldn't show their atrocities to the entire world, like they do now.

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